tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC December 3, 2013 8:00pm-9:01pm PST
good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. today, the president was for the first time since the relaunch of healthcare.gov and he was defiant in the face of his critics. >> some are rooting for this law to fail. i will work with anybody to implement and improve this law effectively. if you have good ideas, bring them to me. let's go. but we're not repealing it as long as i'm president. i want everybody to know that. >> across the country in california, state republicans stooped to a new low to sabotage the law. >> it's called cover california, and the administrators say it could set the stage for the rest of the country. >> on the left coast, the launch
of the state exchange covered california went pretty well. it reports it is signing up 2,700 people a day. that's good news for golden staters who need health insurance. bad news for republicans who are determined to undermine the affordable care act. enter connie conway. it is billed as a california resource guide and it looks like any generic health care website. it has something for everyone, if you're uninsured you can click through the i don't have health insurance icon to find a page dominated by a calculator with the penalties imposed for not buying insurance. if you're young you can read that young adults will end up paying for much of federal health care reform by
subsidizing the cost of sicker people. if you're a senior, you will find in the the handy faq section that medicare provider wills see cuts in the next decade and it could result in the exodus of doctors from the medicare system. it looks official, but it isn't. the real california state exchange website is coveredca.com. in fact you have to scroll all the way to the bottom to find out that coveringca.com is brought to you not by the official exchange, but by the assembly republican caucus. the reason republicans have been reduced to online tricks is the state demonstrated what government looks like when government obstruction can't function the mechanics of governance.
>> the challenges with the obama care role out continue, california is making headway. >> since october 1st, about 80,000 people have enrolled in private insurance through the state's exchange. meanwhile, california republicans have been reduced to creating prank websites to prey upon their own constituents desperately seeks out information about health insurance. >> we reached out to all of the members of the assembly and state signal. two california republicans agreed to come on the show and logistics on in the way. joining me now is karen bass. she knows her way around the state's politics. i'm amazed this existed.
this is one of those rare times when a headline captured how truly ridiculous a story was. can you believe they did this? >> you know what, this is exactly as you described it, an incredibly new low. but i think that it is an example of desperation. in california, you know that the state is 100% behind covered california in making sure that the affordable care act is implemented. for them to lower themselves to this level i'm shocked, and i'm shocked at the republican leader. i know her and i never imagined she would have done that. >> do you get whiplash moving back and forth between washington with the house and the republicans that won chamber of commerce, and california in which the gop has been reduced a caucus that can do nothing more than make prank websites? >> at the time that i was there, even though they were the minority we required super majorities to pass budgets and increase revenue.
now democrats control both chambers with super majority. it's because of the antics that took place every year. we shut down the government on an annual basis. the voters in california got sick and tired of it and they rendered the republican party irrelevant and that's why there is super majorities in both houses. >> i think california voters are trying to send national voters about obstruction. we need more compromise, and just elect overall majorities of democrats that can get stuff done. >> until my colleagues take their party back from being seized by an extremist minority in their party, i think weir facing this. i have to tell you when i came here to washington dc it was deja vu.
i'm glad that we don't have to deal with the challenges that i did during my time. >> your constituents are some of the people that will benefit from the law. i'm curious how it is playing in your district right now. california like kentucky, like new york, is one of those test cases, it wasn't in the federal exchange, the website worked reasonably well, how well is it playing in your district right now? >> very well and i know this every day from calls we get. a few weeks ago we had a town hall in my district and over 400 people turned out and we were doing enrollments on the spot and we had a town hall where we talked to people while they were waiting for their points. people came with genuine questions. the majority of the people with the exception of four or five were really supportive of the
law and wanted to do everything they could to make it run better and to enroll. so there are things that we can do to improve. when i first came, the mantra was repeal and replace. i have not heard any replacement. >> john boehner today was quite nonspecific about the replacement delegation -- >> actually, we have california delegation meetings as democrats. there is 53 of us in the caucus including democrats and republicans and we're quite large. >> do you get the sense that your colleagues must be facing a barrage of inquiries. >> the california republican delegation is a mixed bag. some come from very conservative districts. not many in california are against the affordable care act, but many of my republicans come
from more moderate districts. they don't really subscribe to some of the extreme schism they have to come here and act out to survive their party. >> obama care working in california is one of the success stories not getting the attention it deserves. but the single must under covered story is this. the affordable care act will cost less than was originally projected because it appears the effect of the law on health care costs. today the president touted this development. >> health care costs are rising at the slowest rate in 50 years. so we're bending the cost of health care overall which benefits everybody. >> a round of applause. sally cone is joining me. dean, i will begin with you. we should say that the slow
increase in rate and spending care, we don't know what they are fully yet. but explain to folks how big a deal this is with the cbo now downward revising it's projections out into the future. >> this is huge. we have seen the sharpest slow down in health care costs in post world war ii history. the difference between the projections in 2008 and what we think we're going to pay this year, it is $550 per person. $2200 for a family of four. is obama care responsible for all of that? no, and i don't work for the obama administration, but if it had gone the other way, imagine what we're looking at for costs that were $2400 more than
projected. what do you think they would be saying? >> would they be on the hook for it, absolutely. no one would say we don't know if this is obama care or not. >> clearly i think obama care is part of the story, the downturn is part of the story. the downturn can't be all. i heard people saying people are out of work. that's true but they have been out of work, the downturn was 2009. let's imagine ten million people lose their jobs, we expect to fall off in spending. but the economy is certainly better today than it was in 2009, so -- >> i want to put dollars and cents to this. this is the difference in the cbo projected savings. they're projects $222 billion in a year from medicare and medicaid from this slowing of health care costs. the sequester is $87.9, and the cuts to food stamps is $23.8 billion.
>> i have been on twitter all day about this, they can't find a single positive thing to say about the law. literally it could bring people's health care costs down to zero, they could cure cancer, and conservatives would be shouting from the rooftops that it's a disaster. i think this california thing is hysterical. in part because it's the sort of natural conclusion of the republican panic about this. they vote in mass against the law even though it originated in republican ideas. they vote to try to repeal it unsuccessfully. the website they think will sink it, and then they just throw toilet paper at it. >> and in the absence of a
website that wasn't malfunctioning, they created their own website to malfunction, right? they weren't served a gift of a malfunctioning -- >> it's worse than the scam websites, right? >> they were preying on people -- >> at least try to sell them health insurance. >> sally's point there i think is important. you have to remember that it is no now and always has been about politics, right? whether it is fate, how it is decided in the courts, it is fundamentally a political struggle to get this thing in place. >> that is exactly right. i think the republicans were always hoping they could stop it in congress. they lost that. they were hoping the supreme court would strike it down and they lost that. they were hoping if a catastrophe and clearly that's
not happening. every day people are signing up. i have insurance, i gather you have insurance, imagine you're working at a crap job and you can get insurance for yourself and your family, that's a huge thing. republicans can tell them anything they want and they see now that they have insurance. >> that is really important. they highlighted the fact that the repeal strategy is rubbing away. every day that goes by, as people are getting health care and health insurance through this law, it gets harder and harder to take that thing away. >> right, and 95% of people's insurance would never be effective. before the law went into effect, all of the other pieces of the law, the young people being able to stay on their parent's insurance, the ends of pre-existing conditions and medical spending caps, they were popular with the majority of
republican voters, right? this law was doing pretty well. this individual mandate piece, and the ability for some people losing their insurance, some people getting better insurance at better prices, they have nothing better to critique. >> a lot of people don't know this. the majority of the text of the law is about the repayment system to do precisely what we're seeing show up in the data which is to bring costs down. >> that's right, it's trying to restructure systems to pay people based on outcomes, not on the services they provide. >> and there is good evidence already in hospital readmission rates that point to the fact it is having a good effect. thank you, both. coming up, today in detroit, life got even harder for a lot of people.
>> for 29 years they took out money from my check to go in to my pension. and the city was supposed to put out an equal amount of money. they didn't fund it like they were supposed to but they got my money, and then they sit around now and they're going to renig on the promise that we got. >> i'm going to talk about how wall street is screwing detroit retirees out of their pensions. this is george. the day building a play set begins with a surprise twinge of back pain... and a choice. take up to 4 advil in a day or 2 aleve for all day relief. [ male announcer ] that's handy. ♪
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we don't want one penny cut from the city of detroits employees. >> about 20,000 workers were promised pensions. a federal judge ruled today that detroit is eligible to go forward with it's chapter nine bankruptcy. it's the largest city in u.s. history to do so. when detroit filed for bankruptcy in july it was an open question if the city met the legal requirements for chapter nine. today, a bankruptcy judge ruled
that it did, saying in part, quote, the city no longer has resources to provide the citizens with police, fire, and emergency services. of particular importance are those 20,000 or so city retirees with guaranteed pensions that are no longer guaranteed. the ruling holds that federal law supercedes. detroit is now officially out of voters hands. >> i don't think we have a final determination as to what all of the elements are going to be to get us through this
process. but it is a process that i think we need to take a lot of care because there are going to be pain for a lot of different people. >> joining us now is a former investment banker with goldman sachs where he specialized in stance. what's your reaction to today's court ruling? >> thank you for having me here. this thing of saying they can cut the pensions, that was all about the court saying we have the power to do it. they also said we're going to be cautious about cutting the pensions and try to be fair. the court talked about the state's involvement. he said there was evidence of it in the record, but not enough to make the case solid. >> that's an important point, so they investigated whether or not
the state pushed them into bankruptcy intentionally. and they played a crucial role in tipping them into bankruptcy, what was that? >> they cut revenue sharing. >> meaning the state would take the taxes collected from all over the state and it would go back out -- >> yeah, parse it out. one was because of the detroit losing population. most of it, $44 million, what was a state law that went into effect in 2012 just before the city ran out of cash. >> they pass a bill that takes $47 million out of the ledger of detroit, and detroit files for bankruptcy. >> then the emergency manager appointed by the governor, who
is virtually a dictator, did the bankruptcy filing. it was the governor's agent. >> the judge said there is not enough evidence to say the fix was in, what was your opinion of -- when people look at detroit, they say classic story of big government gone awry. too many employees and pensions, why did detroit go bankrupt? >> the numbers just don't depict that. we took a good look at the numbers, the great reception drove unemployment up to 30%. it was a devastating event. since the great depression, they cut their budget by 38%. >> so they are spending 38% less? >> yes. the number of employees per capita in detroit, there is many fewer employees per capita. there is many indications that
they were trying to cut. on the other side of the ledger, the revenues were being devastated. >> annihilated from unemployment, exodus -- >> 70% of the mortgages were bad mortgages -- >> 70% of the mortgages in detroit? >> yeah. >> so you have 30% unemployment, bad mortgages, the state that comes in and says that's another -- they say we're going to take $47 million away with you, and now you're making deals with banks. >> i'll make it real simple. >> and you were a wall street company. >> yes, i know how to do this. they borrowed $1.6 billion in 2005. half of that, for half of that, they made a deal where it was under a derivative. they paid the banks on wall street the interest and the
principal was paid to the bondholders. the deal with the banks on wall street, it's as if you have a mortgage and you pay your interest to someone else. if you got nicked, all of the interest for 20 years would come due today. >> you're detroit, you're hovering over getting a downgrade, and the structure of the deal was you can borrow this money, but the day after you get downgraded you have to pay us everything due. >> yeah, they don't have that kind of money. i -- in 1990 i did a transaction to try to keep detroit, and successfully kept detroit investment grade rated. that was 23 years ago.
they have severe structural problems. to enter a transaction like that, it's not an interest rate bet, it was a bet on staying solvent. >> and they lost that bet. quickly, is there a way for detroit to pay the promise to it's retirees and get out of this? >> well, yes there is. so there are several aspects to it. you have to be creative about how you drive down their catch throw deficit. but the way to do it, and tragically the bankruptcy court can't order the state to kick in a little money, to put back the $47 million they paid, that's the way to do it. so -- >> so if they wanted to reinstate that revenue sharing they took away, you could create
a cash flow to get their head above water? >> yes, and you could do it that way instead of bankruptcy. >> when you look at the number of bills passed by the house and the paltry number of bills passed by the senate you can see where the problem is. >> yes, we can. and we'll talk about it next. it's the little things in life that make me smile. spending the day with my niece. i don't use super poligrip for hold because my dentures fit well. before those little pieces would get in between my dentures and my gum and it was uncomfortable. even well-fitting dentures let in food particles. super poligrip is zinc free. with just a few dabs, it's clinically proven to seal out more food particles so you're more comfortable and confident while you eat. so it's not about keeping my dentures in, it's about keeping the food particles out. [ charlie ] try zinc free super poligrip. see, i knew testosterone could affect sex drive, but not energy or even my mood. that's when i talked with my doctor.
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the first year of the 113th congress, and it is on pace to be a record breaking one. the least productive congress in the history of the american republic. the first session has passed 52 laws so far, easily making it the least productive first session of any congress in history. it is lowest than the least productive first session that happened to be from the last congress, the 112th. this may why congress's approval rating hit an all-time record low. congress was recently pitted against unsavory items, seems americans have a higher opinion of dog poop. the house passed unanimously h.r. 109d 5, the tsa laos change act that will take the forgotten loose change in those containers and direct it to funding organizations like the uso which is certainly a worthy cause.
this is what congress has come together to do. toss laos change. john bayer in asked today about this congress being on track to be the least productive congress ever. >> the house continued to listen to the american people and focus on their concerns. whether it is economy, jobs, protecting the american people from obama care, we have done our work. >> that is true, speaker boehner, the tsa loose change act is not the only thing you passed. there have been some really, really undercover highlights. for instance h.r. 1071, to specify the size of the precious metal coins for the baseball hall of fame. congress has done a very nice thing for one of their retired colleagues. h.r. 22 89d to rename section 219 c of the internal revenue
code of 1986 as the kay bailey spousal ira. there is the freedom to fish act. a bill to prohibit the corps of engineers to take actions to establish a restricted area of public waters down stream of a dam so people can fish at dams without restriction because of freedom. if you detect sarcasm in my voice, it's because i'm frustrated with house republicans. one of the most insidious aspects of a congress that so habitually underperforms, is begin to underperform in imagining what can happen. but i know why the caged bird sings. in the last eight days, this congress could to do a
tremendous amount of good for the world, country, the citizens. there is nothing stopping them. >> infrastructure, the 2014 budget, immigration reform, minimum wage, unemployment insurance, farm bill. and we have the brady background check, and there are other issues as well. >> so from now until the end of this session, i'll have the counter factual congress, minimum wage, farm bill, restoring food stamp cuts, expanding social security, extending unemployment insurance. every day we're going to take a look at a world in which republicans in congress want to do their job. tomorrow we will bring you the first installment, so tune in.
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students are falling behind their peers overseas. >> an international assessment of teenagers around the world shows u.s. students slipping even further behind. >> it brought big headlines bringing proof that the perception that mediocrity is a realize. they showed u.s. students in the middle of the pack in reading and science. the pisa rankings were based on e tests of more than half a million 15-year-olds. the u.s. education secretary arnie duncan calling it stagnation. but before we talk about how to fix the problem, let's look deeper. there might be a lot less here than meets the eye.
they're broken down in connecticut, florida, and massachusetts. in connecticut and massachusetts, two of the richest states in the union were students generally perform better than the worldwide average. the policy substitute said that america lags in social testing. if you were to correct for their massive income inequality, the performance is better than it appears. consider that the top issuer in all three categories was shanghai, a result that gave rise to headlines proclaiming china has having the smartest students. they are just 1.7% of china's
population. country, essentially forces many of the children of poor workers to leave shanghai for high school. while testing was done three years ago in china's rural areas, the chinese government only allowed the release of shanghai's scores. it underlies almost every conversation we have about conversation and education policy in america. so i want to talk about what is truth and what is fiction about the performance, relative performance of america's schools. joining me now is sabrina joyce stevens. and the executive director of education -- he was on governor christie's task force, and randy wynn winegard. i will begin with you darrelle. what's your take on it?
>> the one, to be equally sceptical, i think when i see this story i'm like this is not a story. the news is not new to me and i don't think it's really knew to anybody. every few years you get a new battery that tells us stuff that we know very importantly that we do very little about. the rich kids in the united states are doing okay compared to everybody else, the poor kids are doing horribly. and next year we will get the same data. to me -- >> things have not changed overtime. so saying there is a decline, you're saying is not true. >> i think the story is external mostly. the data says we're doing much of the same, but other countries are getting better faster. >> does that stand with your interpretation of it?
>> yes, i think what we have seen in the course of the last ten years that the u.s. is basically in the same place in these pisa rankings. but i think that three things show up from these scores. number one, duh. poverty does matter, social economics matter. but the second piece is so what do we do about it? and that for the last ten years, the basic strategy in terms of american public education has been test, test, test, test, test. and that, i think, is showing that that hyper testing of students, mass closing of schools, sanctioning of teachers, is not the strategy that works when you look at the other countries that lapped over us. >> there is two things right now that sit in uncomfortable relation to each other. darrell, you're saying over time
we're staying where we have been, but education policy has changed tremendously. the amount of charter schools, you can track all of this, right? we have been trying new stuff, so how do you square those two things. >> a lot of the thing that's have been tried are not addressing the root issues. we have a glaring poverty and inequality problem in our country. beyond that we need to take into account whether or not this even matters. this is supposed to be a society that is dedicated to freedom and justice for all. why are we so focused on how our students are performing on tests as opposed to are we living up to those ideas. >> because global capitalism is like a game like the olympics. it's a global capitalism, it's like an olympics in which we all race against each other, and the chinese, indians, fins, and if i don't beat them out they will get the jobs of the future --
>> and that's cyclical today's global competition was sputnik in the '50s and '60s. >> let me just say there is a lot of lessons as sabrina just said from all of the pisa data that if we did other things we could do what these countries did like early childhood. >> i want to talk about the lessons. what i think happens too little is looking at other countries. let's talk about what the lessons are for american schools, teachers, and students after this break.
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joyce. >> i think this is deeply embedded in the american psyche, competitiveness, exceptionalism, in sports and our everything culture. it's not about education. education is where you see how we are express itself in this anxiety over how we do with the rest of the country. >> but you're also saying these kwauts are happening inside of the society and the people getting the best educations are the ones reaping the most gains from the economy. >> yeah, i raid this thing earlier today on a blog that i never read. she was like look, the american economy is still the biggest in the world, why are we worrying about this. because it's not big for the same reasons or for the same input it used to be. so we had a conversation about 1% of the american people controlling the vast majority of
the income. >> education doesn't -- that's the thing, we have these political systems and economic systems that is deeply inadequate, and yet the proposed solutions to that problem come from the same ideology that created that very problem. we're not going to get out of this mess by repeating the same testing and market driven schemes that wrote the rest of the economy. how do we make sure the next generation of children is prepared to revitalize the system. it's not going to happen from test prep. >> exactly. >> we have to prepare the kids for those challenges. >> randy, i want to hear you talk about what you think we
should be importing. the ideological lessons cut across -- you can find systems that are doing well, the teacher payment system in north korea -- north korea, south korea, teachers, it's a more market based system. there is a $4 million teacher in south korea that got written up. there are ideologic lessons across the board. >> we have to try to help all kids welcome winners, so we don't have a niche market. so when you look at the lessons that we learned, there is a deep respect for education. there is a deep respect for educators, and they prepare, support, and respect educators. and even in places with market economics, educators are paid competitively. number two, the parents are really engaged which is part of what we're trying to do with a
day of action on december 9th to show that we're all in. number three, there is a real focus on equity by giving kids who have the most, like prek education, wrap around services, and number four, this is where it crosses around ideological bounds. >> i want to talk about number three, this equity idea. one of the things you see in other countries is they do a better job of essentially putting their best teachers in the underperforming schooling, and there is a lot of places
where compensation goes up. >> you highlighted equity of two different sums. one is student formula and what works and what doesn't. and the second thing is teacher deployment. if you're black or poor in america, you're more likely to get a teacher teaching on a subject matter -- and is likely to get laid off. that is working exactly as it is supposed to. >> except that you can turn around, like we did in new york city with the chancellor's district, you can turn around struggling schools. you can create incentives to get the best teachers to the toughest places, but you have to create a sense of high moral. that's when teachers get together and collaborate to work together and that's -- >> that's what these scores
said. >> how important do you think moral is? >> it is everything. when you think about what is the most important thing that's go on in the school buildings, interactions between teachers and students. if you have people that cannot -- if you can't give more of yourself than you have all right given, you're not giving your best to your students. >> there is a lot more about this that i want to talk about. thank you, chris. in march of this past year there was a series of violent attacks in the south of france. a soldier was killed in an unprovoked random shooting. a few days later two more soldiers were ambushed in killed in an unprovoked attack. and a few days later it happened again, a young rabbi and teacher was killed. he was trying to shield the kids from the gunman. two kids were killed and an 8-year-old girl from the school